Prabhupāda: And this girl is psychologist?
Hṛdayānanda: (asks her what her speciality is)
Lady Psychologist: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: She works in an institute of psychology, and she is particularly studying human conduct, why people act the way they do, and she’s also interested in learning something about our philosophy.
Prabhupāda: If you have studied about the subtle body of living entity?
Lady Psychologist: No.
Prabhupāda: First of all, this, this gross body made of five material elements—earth, water, air, fire, like that. This we can see with our eyes, but we cannot see the mind, intelligence and ego, although everyone knows there is mind, there is intelligence. So when this body is annihilated, the subtle body—mind, intelligence, ego—carries the soul to another gross body. This is the process of transmigration of the soul. Now, what do you think of this process?
Lady Psychologist: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: She says in her… In the field of psychology also they admit the existence of forces beyond the gross elements, and although ordinarily they do not deal with that, she is very interested to know about it.
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is the law. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, “The soul is not annihilated after the destruction of the body.” You find out that verse, na jāyate na mriyate va kadacit. Read it.
na jāyate mriyate vā kadācin
nāyaṁ bhūtvā bhavitā vā na bhūyaḥ
ajo nityaḥ śāśvato ‘yaṁ purāṇo
na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre
Prabhupāda: So the soul transmigrates to another body. That is the evolutionary process for anthropology, basic principle of anthropology. So in Darwin’s theory there is no admission of the soul. Therefore it is imperfect. The soul transmigrates from one type of body to another type. And then there are 8,400,000 forms of body. So when we get this human form of body we get all intelligence. And we should utilize this intelligence how to stop this transmigration of the soul from one body to another. So what is their opinion?
Mr. Cortez: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) If there’s a certain criteria of proof or a certain evidence that we can know for certain that there actually is such transmigration of the soul?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like the baby is…, the soul is transmigrated from baby’s body to child’s body, child’s body to boy’s body, boy’s body to youthful body, so the body vanishes, and because the soul remains, he gets another body. Now I am old man. I remember I had a child’s body, I was lying down. I quite remember it. But that body is not existing. So this is the example. Everyone has experience. This is transmigration of the soul from one body to another. And at the time of death, the psychological condition of the mind will carry me to a suitable body, and I shall enter into the womb of my mother through the semina of the father, and the mother will give that a particular type of body, and when it is completely manufacture, then I come out and begin my (indistinct)…, again. Therefore we find varieties of forms, but in each and every form there is the soul.
Now, in the human form of life, we should utilize our intelligence that “This constant change of body, how it can be stopped?” And we should remain in our eternal body, because I am eternal, but psychologically I am simply changing different forms of body, and at the time of change of body I have to undergo so many sufferings. To remain within the womb of the mother for ten months in packed-up condition, it is very terrible punishment. But for each new birth, we have to undertake this terrible suffering. Sometimes nowadays they’re being killed. So to avoid all these dangers, one should try to remain in his spiritual body so that there will be no more chance of accepting material… Find out this, janma karma me divyaṁ yo jānāti tattvataḥ, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya (BG 4.9).
By His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Conversation, Mexico, March 15, 1975